Saturday, February 16, 2013

Jack and Tyler as Freudian foils of one another..and The Beatles

        Freud's Civilization and its Discourse and the film Fight Club initially seem to be two very distinct works, one a Hollywood cult movie, and the other a renowned psychological work. But when one takes the time to think deeply about the characters and plot of the film, some very obvious connections become apparent. The film intentionally allows the viewer insight into the personas of the two main characters, Tyler and Jack. Jack seems to live an incredibly depressing, mundane existence; he goes to work, battles insomnia, finds comfort in Ikea catalogs, and has this extremely bizarre coping mechanism of attending depressing sessions with sick people to help himself cope with his incredibly routine and uninteresting existence. Jack seems to be cut out of a mold, and not distinct from other humans. Jack is restricted by society and acts in accordance to what is expected of him. This is what makes Jack the superego as he balances his ID urges and morality from the ego. The ego is essentially the battlefield between urges and morality, and Jack becomes the ego at the end of the movie as he fights Tyler's influence and his own moral code. That is, until he meets his other half, Tyler, and it becomes like they are two halves of one whole.
         Tyler is the bad boy that our parents warned us about...times a million. He really lacks any moral foundation and has no real sense of whats good and whats bad. He has incredible amounts of meaningless sex with a woman who he met while she was overdosing and never interacts with outside of the bedroom. He steals fat to make soap, lives in an excuse for a house, creates this animalistic fight club, and burns down Jack's apartment (essentially his whole life) after meeting him on an airplane. Jack purely follows his instincts and inner desires, and is not restricted by societal norms (you do what you want to do and that's it). It's safe to say that Tyler and Jack are about as different as can be.

         This is where Freud's ideas come in: Jack is the super ego and later becomes the ego, and Tyler is the ID. Jack uses his friendship with Tyler to be the kind of person that he most certainly isn't and wouldn't try to be without Tyler. He fights, lives in a disgusting house, and acts in a way completely unlike his previous existence. Tyler essentially pushes Jack to do the things he otherwise would not have the inner strength to do. As people we show the world one side of ourselves, and often bury inside our inner desires. Tyler seems to be the most terrible influence on Jack, but yet his presence in Jack's life seems to liberate Jack and introduce him to a whole new world. Tyler lives this insane existence, but ends up teaching Jack more about himself than he ever could have learned if he continued living how he once lived.

"You wake up at Seatac, SFO, LAX. You wake up at O'Hare, Dallas-Fort Worth, BWI. Pacific, mountain, central. Lose an hour, gain an hour. This is your life, and it's ending one minute at a time. You wake up at Air Harbor International. If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person?"

        Freudian ideas are everywhere in popular culture. Psychologists still value Freuds work and we see it leak into books, movies, and art all of the time. I bet that if you think about it you can recall various Freudian references you had encountered but did not place as Freudian until you learned about Freud. I was fascinated by the ID/ego relationship both when I read this book and when I saw Fight Club so thats what I want to focus on in my comparison. It seemed too easy to go for famous foils in popular culture like Luke Skywalker/ Death Vader so I branched out a little more.


       For those of you who don't know Paul McCartney and John Lennon of the Beatles, here they are. They are a legendary songwriting partnership and an incredibly large part of rock history. But while musically they might have had great success, these two individuals could not be more different. John Lennon, like Tyler, is a rebel. Lennon was incredibly controversial throughout his career, he failed all of his classes and never really cared about education. In his art class, he sat on a nude models lap and almost got expelled and eventually did get thrown out of his school. Lennon was deeply involved in drugs throughout his career, musically did not follow any previous standards, and maintained this rebellious, bad boy image throughout his career.
       His fellow band mate and song writing partner was the complete opposite. McCartney adored learning, and first pursued the visual arts and later cinema. He did not do well in school, but chose to educate himself on a variety of topics because he enjoyed it. He was married for a long time, an activist for many good causes, meditated and musically did not wish to veer far from current trends unlike Lennon. McCartney was very serious about the music and the band when Lennon was not. I'm not going to lie, McCartney did smoke some Mary Jane and enjoyed his LSD a little too much but it was the 60's so i'm just going to breeze on by that fact...

       The point is this: McCartney represents Jack as the ego. Obviously Paul McCartney is awesome and not as boring as Jack was at the beginning of Fight Club, but Paul McCartney did follow societal norms and did not stick out like Tyler and Lennon do. Paul McCartney knew limits and followed them just like Jack did. Until he met Lennon. Lennon is like Tyler, disregarding what is expected of him and very impulsive. They are the Freudian concept of the ID. Lennon introduced McCartney into this world of fame, drugs, woman, and it changed who McCartney was, much like Tyler changed Jack. This is not to say that it was all Lennon's fault that McCartney was a drug addict for awhile, because we know that there were other factors at play, but he did play a large part. Tyler brought out the inner desires of Jack, and Lennon brought out a side of McCartney that was buried before he met him. This is Freud's work personified by two different sets of people, and countless other examples can easily be made.

11 comments:

  1. I really liked the post, i like the Beatles quite a bit myself, but never thought about John Lennon and Paul McCartney in that way. As far as the foiling between "Jack" and "Tyler" from fight club, I don't see them as complete foils as "Jack" clearly hates civilization. Tyler is just the embodiment of all of jack's inner strife let loose. A better foil may be with someone like the boss, someone who seems very content to stay in the structure of civilization.

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  2. I'm not sure that I would agree that Jack hates civilization. Jack seems to just float by everyday and is rather cynical, and I think both these things stem from his insomnia caused lack of sleep that makes him irritable. If Jack truly hated civilization and societal norms, why would he live his life constantly trying to do what normal people do? Go to a cookie cutter boring job, fill quotas, rent an apartment and furnish it...etc. I'm not sure what the exact word I would use to describe how Jack regards society, but he certainly feels like he has to do "normal" things to function in life (before he meets "Tyler")

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    1. I agree with this comment, if Jack really hated civilization, why would he try to save it in the end? If he really hated civilization, he would let Tyler's plans continue on and he would just sit back and watch it all fall in place. Instead, what Jack does, is that he tries to stop all of the bombs from going off by going to the police, (which turns out to be futile) and even tries to stop one of the bomb vans from going off himself.

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  3. I like that you make solid, bold assertions: "Tyler lives this insane existence, but ends up teaching Jack more about himself than he ever could have learned if he continued living how he once lived." However, I think you could have given an example to support that particular claim because it sounds like Tyler is just a monster and is taking away from Jack's life. Sentence confuses: It seemed too easy to go for famous foils in popular culture like Luke Skywalker/ Death Vader so I branched out a little more. At first I'm like no way Fight Club is a famous foil, then I'm like oh I get where you're going with this....the Beatles? You should be clear about who's who--lol get it--in the picture of the guys from the Beatles band--use caption. "[H]e sat on a nude models lap and almost got expelled"--explain more??o_0 Lol Beatles comparison reminded me at first of Homer Simpson and his next-door neighbor Ned Flanders...at first. "He was married for a long time"--LOL what do you even mean...until he got shot?? Like the humor poked about at the right places: but it was the 60's so i'm just going to breeze on by that fact...So right...beginning of Fight Club (you said Jack) was yawn-inducing. Kind of wanted to see more specific or less vague examples for the Beatles comparison between the two guys. Gramer is too good. You should really consider toning it down a little.

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    2. lol "gramer is too good", grammar you mean and "LOL what do you even mean..."...this is a class learning assignment not a forum to post insulting comments..

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  4. I greatly enjoyed your comparison of Freud to The Beatles and Fight Club. I think you are right in that Tyler represents the id inside of Jack and that Lennon is like the id inside of McCartney. I really liked your point on how Tyler, though seemingly a bad influence on Jack, actually helps to liberate Jack from his mundane existence. Then, with this fact in mind, I suppose that we should read Tyler, perhaps not as a foil to Jack, but as a collaborator. Tyler actually works with Jack to make Jack into the person he has always wanted to become.

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  5. good basis of your discussion. I enjoyed you bringing in two people from the Beatles too. I do think Jack and Tyler's personas are on opposite ends, while being somewhat extreme, but I do not think Tyler hates civilization. I think he hates how its run, and how people are almost forced into doing life one way- so more like he has had enough....the man is fed up. He wants to help liberate society, let people experience and go about life in a variety of ways and not allow them to accept a cookie cutter way that binds them to be completely dependent on society, the government, and huge companies. I think Tyler loves people, their innovative minds, and wants to bring people back to that. Jack is his prime subject- he's perfect! It would be nice also if there was a small discussion on how, or if, Lennon and McCartney influenced one another....I know that means deeper research though. But all in all I did enjoy this and I didn't really know a ton about the Beatles, and well now I have a stronger knowledge bank of them than before ;) haha

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  6. I really the comparison that you made with John Lennon and Paul McCartney to Fight Club. I did not know this about them and had to look up if what you were saying is true. The only part I don't see connecting is that Lennon was thrown out of school where as Tyler graduated college but that irrelevant to your overall discussion.

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  7. You definitely explained Fight Club and its concepts of superego and ID very thoroughly and correctly in my opinion. It's nice to get a recap of what went on in the movie with explanation so that I can fully understand it. I honestly didn't know who your comparison characters were until I looked them up and did my own research on it. With what I read, you compared it well. So good job on this blog! You definitely understand your stuff :)

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  8. I find it very interesting that you would compare The Beatles to the Fight Club. However, in my honest opinion, I don't think John Lennon is a representation of Tyler at all. Maybe the similarities are much more noticeable when John Lennon was younger, however, John Lennon completely changed his lifestyle after his break up with The Beatles. Unlike Tyler, John Lennon advocated peace instead of destruction and violence. He also quit drugs, a topic which he discusses in his song "Cold Turkey." Although Lennon was a rebellious character, he was very dissimilar to Tyler in my opinion.

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